Trope Talk: Dragons

31 Th07, 2020
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Dragons! They're big, they're scaly, they're legendary! But how deep does the wyrmhole go?
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  • my favorite type of dragons are the super massive roided up ones with muscular human-like biceps and abs... basically porunga from dragon ball z.

    gabigogabigo26 phút trước
  • The game Dragalia lost often has a loose definition as to what makes a dragon a dragon. The designs in this game range from the typical DnD style dragon to dragons that look like: Birds, Bears, Cats, Wolves, Unicorns, and rabbits. The most common design next to the classical dragon is the human dragon. Its just a human with horns, wings and a tail. There is a line of dialogue in the game where a faerie claims that faeries are distant kin to dragons when a dragon character says they sensed the presence of another dragon. In response to this the dragon says "Well, there's a simple test to solve this once and for all: if you're truly a dragon, you will have a tail." That said looking at the designs of all the dragons I found that out of all 101 dragons there are two that do not have tails.

    ArcanewolfArcanewolf57 phút trước
  • and then niv-mizzet's just like TEHC

    help i'm stuck in whatever google service this ishelp i'm stuck in whatever google service this isGiờ trước
  • Marduk is a case where the storm god killed one dragon and took another as a pet

    Wildcard JoeyWildcard JoeyGiờ trước
  • RED! You absolutely MUST start reading the book series Wings of Fire by Tui T. Sutherland. It’s about dragons and it’s super awesome!

    Charlize FultonCharlize Fulton2 giờ trước
  • Character: *is cursed to become a dragon* Me if i was given that curse: *i see this as an absolute win*

    Master of DragonsMaster of Dragons2 giờ trước
  • I just realized SCP 682 is a dragon that represents a problem that you can’t solve no matter how hard you try

    Avnirvana BonovikaAvnirvana Bonovika2 giờ trước
  • Dragons: exist Me: True perfection

    Master of DragonsMaster of Dragons2 giờ trước
  • "Borrowed" wholesale ^^'

    CartwAalbielCartwAalbiel2 giờ trước
  • You ever think about how nearly every society has a type of dragon even if they're on opposite sides of the world? Maybe they're different branches of a species? Maybe?

    Man In The ClosetMan In The Closet2 giờ trước
  • You need to do a trope talk on world building.

    Blake TerryBlake Terry2 giờ trước
  • Okay, who else has to set Red's playback speed to 75% so they don't miss half of what she says? :)

    Bill CashionBill Cashion2 giờ trước
  • 11:50 Hero’s and Hecatoncheires

    AlStorm 7AlStorm 72 giờ trước
  • I'm just going to put my tin-foil hat on nice and tight and say that, just maybe, if cultures all over the world have a story about a Storm God doing battle with a Cthonic Serpent/Dragon then there might be some long lost historical truth to it. Maybe? Tin-foil hat is now off.

    KountKristylKountKristyl3 giờ trước
  • i can make a eight-legged creature with feathers and wings and call it a dragon nice

    MeepMeep3 giờ trước
  • Y Ddraig Goch is the name of the red boi on the Welsh Flag if your wondering!

    MusicalPirateMusicalPirate3 giờ trước
  • Canyons & Centaurs

    That One GuyThat One Guy3 giờ trước
  • the raven cycle does imo one of the coolest one-off appearances of a dragon in contemporary fantasy: the climax of book 2 involves a red and a white "dragon" (again with the super loose definition) wrecking a 4th of july party in a dirt lot in rural virginia. the whole thing is extremely tense, super cool, AND it references a welsh myth/prophecy (?) about two dragons fighting, with the red dragon representing wales and the white representing britain.

    LenaLena7 giờ trước
  • It's not necessary for the video, but I want to give more expanded context for the dragon on Wales' flag, because it's actually REALLY important. Fair warning, this post is gonna be long, and even THIS is the basic version of this story, assembled from basic Internet sources. If it intrigues you, I urge you to go looking for more. The Red Dragon of Wales is one of the oldest symbols of the Britons--not the British, but the people who lived in Britain before all these Angles and Saxons and Normans sailed over to ruin everything. They were a mix of what was left of Roman Britannium and the people who had been there before Julius C. showed up (often referred to as the Celts, with a hard C). They eventually became known as the Welsh to the English, and the country they had managed to keep the English from conquering, Wales. Archaeology and reading between the lines on the later sources suggests that it was at about the time the Britons formed into a cohesive identity--the 400s A.D./5th century--that a red dragon first appeared as a Romano-British symbol, possibly for the whole people. (Importantly, the Welsh call themselves the _Cymry,_ and their country _Cymru,_ both of which are roughly pronounced _khemre._ Welsh is one hell of a language to learn, as both Red and Blue have observed, but Wales takes a lot of justified pride in keeping it alive.) The earliest _probable_ recorded source we have for the Red Dragon is "Lludd and Llefelys", an oral tradition story first written down in the 1100-1200s and later publicized in the _Mabinogion._ In that story, the red dragon is fighting an explicitly "foreign" white dragon, and the shrieks from the battle are making every May Day hell and causing miscarriages. Both dragons are a problem, because dragons, so our two folk heroes get them both drunk in Oxford and seal them underground. The reason this is probably the first source is because the second, which is much more firmly dated at around 828 AD, sounds very much like an interpretation/continuation of the first. This one is in the _Historia Britonnum,_ not to be confused with Geoffrey of Monmouth's later work, and many more people probably know it because it's become a foundational part of the Arthurian legends. In this, the dragons are already buried but still fighting, and their fighting keeps destroying a stronghold the king Vortigern is trying to build. Shenanigans wind up bringing the supernaturally wise youth Ambrosius (who is his own complicated web of references) into the mix, who reveals that the dragons are there. Ambrosius explicitly states that the White Dragon represents the Saxons, and the Red Dragon--who wins the fight when Vortigern frees them--represents Vortigern's people. Given the likely timeframe, these would almost certainly be the Britons, who would become the Welsh. As a result of these legends, the Welsh adopted the Dragon as their national icon and a symbol of their continued identity in spite of English domination. It also got cross-bled into a whole bunch of other Welsh legends, too. Owain Glyndŵr used a gold dragon as his standard when he led damn near all of Wales to rebellion in the early 1400s, and that standard was thought to have been Uther Pendragon's in the mythical past. The _Red_ Dragon, _y Ddraig Goch,_ takes its place firmly in the modern sense at the end of the Wars of the Roses, when Henry Tudor chose it as his standard. It was believed, according to legend, to have been the standard of the semi-mythical Welsh king Cadwaladr. Henry was born in Wales and made a lot of hay out of his Welsh ancestry, flying the Red Dragon as he landed from France and rousing a large amount of Welsh support as he went to stomp Richard III's face in at Bosworth Fields. As a result, when he gained the throne as Henry VII, the Red Dragon was added as a supporter to the English crest (the animals on the side holding it up) equivalent to the English Lion across from it. This is also where the green and white comes from, as it's the Tudor livery. The Dragon would be unceremoniously shuffled off in 1606 when the Union of Crowns happened to be replaced by Scotland's Unicorn, but the Dragon didn't need the permission of a goddamn _Englishman_ to exist. The Red Dragon was picked up as Wales' official icon in 1807 (though the modern flag didn't come around until 1959), and since then it has become ever more popular. To hell with the coat of arms--compared to the Unicorn or even the Lion, the Red Dragon is _inseparable_ from Wales as a concept now, and the damn thing is everywhere. Like the Welsh language, it is a source of unquenchable pride for Wales, the people that England had long ago thought it had smashed under their bootheel, and also easily the coolest out of the British Isles' various iconic creatures. The Lion and the Unicorn may have kept more power and are cool in their own right, but they're not a damn dragon, and nothing will change that.

    InchonDMInchonDM10 giờ trước
  • 12:47 actually Dragons are the opposite of "GOD" according to history, you can say that "dragons = conspiracy theorist that needs to be taken down by gods children and that "GOD" (- or Global Organize Dominion) = the administrator that says the final word. And you can see that in the old testament and how "dragons" are shown as in the European dark ages and roman ages since they worshiped some guy who makes "storms" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- storms = a big mess in order to create more control over the land to rule over, for example, King David and Julius Caesar.

    Idan ChenIdan Chen11 giờ trước
  • "Dragons are awesome because dragons have always been awesome." Best answer to any argument.

    Timelord AcaelusTimelord Acaelus11 giờ trước
  • Thanks, the last few seconds before the sponsor now have me imagining scaly, winged, flying, fire and poison breathing, web spinning, eight-legged terrors sitting on piles of treasure. My D&D group will know (after the fact) whence this horror arose!

    MonkeyJedi99MonkeyJedi9913 giờ trước
  • So, 'dragon' as a word is about as specific as the word 'house'. Or perhaps better, the word 'home'

    MonkeyJedi99MonkeyJedi9913 giờ trước
  • For an interesting subversion of this trope I recommend the tween book "The Girl Who Circumnavigated Fairyland in a Ship of Her Own Making" One of the main characters is a wyvern who is strong and powerful but also knowledgeable, somehow a library, and cute.

    Julianna FreiheitJulianna Freiheit14 giờ trước
  • I’d love it if you guys could do a trope talks on wizards in literature

    Anna PorchAnna Porch18 giờ trước
  • And now I want to go reread the 'Dealing With Dragons' books by Patricia C. Wrede.

    M lucasM lucas19 giờ trước
  • Imagine. Dragons

    pokemon 123pokemon 12321 giờ trước
  • The only time when a large reptilian monster isn't a dragon is when it is a dinosaur.

    Liam BrandleyLiam Brandley23 giờ trước
  • Eastern Dragons vs. Western Dragons is one of my favorite mythological debates on differences in cultures.

    masterofmythologymasterofmythologyNgày trước
  • Can you please tell me what are the clips from 9:03-9:11 that you used? I know one of them is from final fantasy but what about the others? HELP

    Jakub InglotJakub InglotNgày trước
  • Dragon is a catch-all term in place of behemoth and is more of a classification of varied creatures like beast or humanoid than a specifically defined one like hydra or wyvern. All wyverns are dragons but not all dragons are wyverns in the same since of rectangles and squares.

    ItsWhimsyItsWhimsyNgày trước
  • Hell yeah I’ve been waiting for ages for you guys to do a trope talk on this

    OONgày trước
  • I don't know why but I haven't seen one of these for a year

    Tumoltous WindTumoltous WindNgày trước
  • Would you be able to explore Jung's archetypes and whether they still are applicable in a multicultural society with the internet and shared tropes and influences?

    Luke ComminsLuke ComminsNgày trước
  • The Dragon Fyrian from “the girl who drank the moon” is tiny until the last minute. We know he’s supposed to be huge, Fyrian himself thinks he’s huge. He can’t become a large until he leaves the mountain his mother died. He shrinks when he comes close to the volcano. He shrinks before his grief, I think. Anyways, read the book, it’s awesome.

    Just IceJust IceNgày trước
  • :19 Well the Greek etymology of the word doesn't matter and doesn't imply localization to me, cause not all words for dragon are derived from Greek. in the first place. 5:03 All these watery serpents - You see, people? Gyarados really IS a dragon, I've been saying this for years. 9:09 "The girl is dating the dragon ." Hmm, source? It's for, uh . . . research. Yeah.

    SeetiyanSeetiyanNgày trước
  • Okay, so the dragon from Aurora, which I won’t name for plot is: Apocalyptically enormous, Divine-ish, And Cursed. With a bit of shapeshifting thrown in for good measure

    Sinead ThomasSinead ThomasNgày trước
  • I love dragon riders of pern. I love the bonds the riders create with their dragons. The fact that they can communicate through a mind link is so interesting to me too

    Tori .HTori .HNgày trước
  • Great, now I'm thinking of spider dragons.

    B. DavisB. DavisNgày trước
  • HEY RED! I KNOW U PROBABLY WONT SEE THIS BUT NETFLIX HAS A SHOW CALLED THE NEW LEGENDS OF MONKEY! ITS BASED ON JOURNEY TO THE WEST!!!!! U SHOULD WATCH IT!!! IM A HALF WAY INTO SEASON ONE AND ITS PRETTY GOOD!!!!!!!! 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

    Lonewolf 101Lonewolf 1012 ngày trước
  • “Riding a Dragon because fuck yeah!” Yep, that’s why I love the lesser known Drakan games. Because you can fly around on a Fuck You Dragon lol

    VikingFyreVikingFyre2 ngày trước
  • I know this might not be seen, but here it goes. Thank you for including Armenian mythology! Usually my culture's history does go unnoticed in the international stage, so coming across such well researched videos and seeing my culture represented is amazing! Thank you again, you have gained a new subscriber. I can't wait to check out your other videos. 😊

    Cynthia MICynthia MI2 ngày trước
  • What about dragons? Dragons have feelings too people, we can’t forget the dragons!

    The Nature SoldierThe Nature Soldier2 ngày trước
  • Symbols of an Alien Sky... documentary... details the real source of world mythologies. Nothing to do with aliens btw. I believe the reason we don't need a concrete definition of what a dragon "is" is because we have a collective traumatic memory of where the idea comes from (crazy stuff that happened in the sky thousands of years ago, perhaps at the end of the last ice age). Anyone interested in this should check out the documentary I referenced above. Peace.

    dirty puredirty pure2 ngày trước
  • The girl is dating the dragon 😂 shout out to you FFXIV

    Samantha BrownSamantha Brown2 ngày trước
  • Thank you kindly.

    Naoto-Icarus The AntagonistsNaoto-Icarus The Antagonists3 ngày trước
  • One idea I came up with for a novel was that, since dragons have an incubation period of many thousand years, they have very maleable biology so they can adapt to the world around them. So after hatching, a dragon might adapt to be more serpentine and feathery or more a four legged, flying, hyper-intelligent alpha predator

    Caleb MartinCaleb Martin3 ngày trước
  • I wonder if the storm god vs dragon motif comes from the general connection between dragons(snakeish) and water and the storm gods and the sky

    Joseph BuckleyJoseph Buckley3 ngày trước
  • Red mentions armenian deity Me in tears: thanks

    Lusintag MayrapetyanLusintag Mayrapetyan3 ngày trước
  • when red got to the dragon hoards, my mind instantly went to my little pony, like that one episode where spike found a dragon cave and ate all the dragons gems, any other my little pony fans? no... just me....cool...

    Ameera CoeAmeera Coe3 ngày trước
  • What manga is that

    Justin VirolaJustin Virola3 ngày trước
  • “dragons aren’t localized to one region or mythos” yeah because they were REAL. they’re extinct now but they definitely existed /j

    cat ocat o3 ngày trước
  • I'd absolutely love a Troupe Talk on Creation Myths both on irl beliefs and the various ones in books/novels, ... just an idea 🤷‍♂️

    Rene OchoaRene Ochoa3 ngày trước
  • Literally I started this thinking “she’s not gonna mention the Armenian dragon slayer”. I was pleasantly surprised. Thank you for including us even if it was just briefly.

    TYellowFinchTYellowFinch3 ngày trước
  • Everyone read the library dragon

    Hovek the artist formerly known as OXOTNHKHovek the artist formerly known as OXOTNHK3 ngày trước
  • Can we please get a Trope Talk about Foreshadowing or The Heart :)

    Jelsa FanJelsa Fan3 ngày trước
  • Ancalagon is actually mentioned as an example! FINALLY! I swear, does NOBODY read the Silmarillion?

    David HollowayDavid Holloway3 ngày trước
  • Darth Vader is a dragon!

    Max SchreckMax Schreck3 ngày trước
  • dragons are the dogs of fantasy creatures

    Emily van der HiddeEmily van der Hidde3 ngày trước
    • @kunik61 lol

      Emily van der HiddeEmily van der Hidde2 ngày trước
    • NOPE

      kunik61kunik612 ngày trước
  • Dragon: exists Storm God: Wait no

    Lisa TappLisa Tapp3 ngày trước
    • Again dragonslaying jokes!?

      kunik61kunik612 ngày trước
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